Friday, 12 January 2018

Fact Checking the Kelly Story


On the Facebook pages where the Kelly story is currently being promoted and discussed, people who post in support of Ned Kelly as an Australian icon and a hero almost always betray their ignorance of the detail of the story by including in their comments statements which are factually wrong. I am not talking about opinions that differ from mine, or claims as facts things that cant be proven either way, but statements that are simply, unarguably false.

One of the most frequently repeated such errors is the one Ellen Kelly herself is reported to have made when Constable Fitzpatrick came to arrest her son Dan. She is reported to have said that because Fitzpatrick didn’t have the Arrest Warrant with him, he had no right to arrest Dan and Dan was under no obligation to go with him. As a result of this false belief of hers she attacked Fitzpatrick with a shovel, a melee ensued during which Fitzpatrick was shot, and, as we know the Outbreak was born.  

There seems to be a belief that a policeman has to show the actual warrant to the person before being able to arrest him, but this is simply NOT true. It wasn’t true in 1878 and its not true now - its never been true, and even a moments reflection would reveal why it couldn’t possibly be true. It would mean, for example that if a policeman saw someone committing a crime he would be unable to do anything until a Warrant was created. It would mean that if he saw a known criminal on the loose and didn’t have the correct piece of paper in his pocket, the criminal couldn’t be apprehended. It would mean there could be no such thing as a ‘citizens arrest’. It would mean that Police would have to carry about with them the warrants relating to all known local suspects, in case they ran into any of them on his rounds. It would substantially inhibit the ability of Police to maintain Law and order.

I learned something the other day that might explain why this false belief is so common. It relates to a different kind of Warrant, a warrant that the Police do indeed have to show before they can act : it’s a Search Warrant, and is quite different from an Arrest Warrant. To legally invade your home to conduct a SEARCH, Police either have to have your permission, or else apply for and be given permission by an independent authority to do so. There are some particular situations where even that warrant is not needed, such as if they wish to arrest someone they believe to be hiding inside, or if they think evidence may be destroyed if they delay entry, but in general, if the Police come to your house with a SEARCH warrant they have to show it to you. If they can’t show it to you, and prove they have permission to search your house, then you have a right to refuse them entry.

But if there is a warrant for ARREST, they have a right to enter a home to make that arrest and are under no obligation to display the actual document. It can be shown to the suspect back at the station.

So why do so many Kelly sympathisers believe this falsehood? Simply put, it’s from ignorance of what the Law really is, in relation to warrants and arrest. It also happens because when such erroneous claims are made on FB pages and elsewhere, nobody in the Kelly world bothers to supply the correcting facts.

But it also arises from ordinary people who mostly don’t have a few shelves of books on Kelly history, accepting the word of people who promote themselves as authorities on the subject in the press and in print, and who should know better. Jack Peterson is the most recent example – this  sloppy poorly informed author repeats this simple falsehood both in his dreadful book and on his FB page.


Anyone repeating this nonsense about Fitzpatrick needing to have a warrant with him should be corrected. I don’t expect Jack Peterson or many Kelly sympathisers to ever change their views about Ned Kelly and the Police but at least they could stop spreading falsehoods about what happened. When they continue to repeat disproven claims about Ned Kelly they demonstrate their commitment is not to historical truth and reality, but to a fable that disguises a liar, thief, hostage taker and police killer.

9 comments:

  1. Face facts, Dee, they're too dumb to know and too thick to care

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    1. Yes I am afraid that is true for many of the die-hard Kelly sympathisers, the ones who post offensive things like "A good cop is a dead cop", ( on Jack Petersons FB page yesterday) though thankfully they're not all like that. When I challenged a Beechworth Tour Guide recently on FB about his claim that Nicholson visited a deserted hut, eventually he changed his mind so theres hope for some of them.

      But if nobody points out these errors then how can ordinary people be blamed for believing the rubbish that authors like Jack Peterson and Brad Webb promote on their FB pages and their deceptive little books. People who write rubbish about Ned Kelly while claiming to be historians and experts need to be exposed for the shonky they are.

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  2. Fact check: The largest number of sympathiser “friends” given in the press is 300, in December 1878; Fitzsimons misread this as 800, and then claimed with no evidence that “there are said to be some 2000 in North-Eastern Victoria alone” (O&M, 14 December 1878, 4; Peter Fitzsimons, Ned Kelly, 301, 388). Hahahaha

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  3. Aren't you actually the bully? You are attacking people who are real and had real families. My eight year old granddaaughter is bullied at school because she is a Kelly. Do you see her as a Kelly sympathiser who deserves to be bullied? You are so cruel. We don't attack you or your family. How are you connected to the family? If you check out Trove you will find that none of the hews paper articles supported the Kellys. They were written from a British perspective so how did they perpetuate the so called myth.Even when they reported on those who were arrested as sympathisers they did not make it clear that many of those named were related to the Kellys and were arrested because they were related and later freed. There was no myth perpetrated in the newspapers of the day. Why have you chosen this particular family to wage a campaign against? Does supporting your family make you a bigot? Again can you explain why you are waging this cruel campaign against this family

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    1. Some of the Kelly descendants have a kind of sick pride in being related to the Kelly gang and like telling everyone about it. Maybe they should shut up. No one would know Paul O'K was descended from the Harts if he didn't keep telling everyone about it like it was a great thing. Mike Munroe told how he was descended from the Kenniffs and his family changed the surname to avoid the association. The Griffiths are in the papers every year saying how Ned Kelly was a hero and trying to get money for a Ned Kelly Centre. This is bad news for the descendants of the victims. Lest we forget.

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    2. To answer your specific question about 'waging this cruel campaign against this family' I would have to say the family is not any kind of target in any of this. The 'target' is the historical narrative around the Kelly Outbreak, which as its currently promoted by 'sympathisers' and by descendants is riddled with unhistorical claims, demonstrably false and incomplete accounts of events and the unsustainable promotion of Ned Kelly as some sort of hero.

      The bullying of your 8 year old granddaughter is deplorable behaviour and cannot be condoned or tolerated under any circumstance. As I wrote elsewhere the answer is not to try to eliminate every possible trigger that a bully might be able to use against her, but make it very clear to the bully that that sort of behaviour, bullying and victimising is always completely unacceptable and won't ever be tolerated. The bully is the problem not your granddaughter.

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  4. I agree with Dee that ii iis detestable to bully the young Kelly child.

    The fellow who runs the FB Hate Page against the MacFarlane book contacted the grand-daughter of the author in a way that would be frowned on today. Foolishly he kept tabs on her on-line activities and later used this in his posts. Noone would have been any the wiser had he not done so.

    So there are vilenessea and repulsiveness on both sides unfortunately.

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    1. Roy, if you have evidence of this such as screen shots and any way of contacting MacFarlane, perhaps through his publisher, you should provide him with this evidence and advise him to contact the (Victorian) Commission for Children and Young People. A complaint can be lodged for child stalking and online harassment of a child. They will advise what next steps are available, and whether they can assist in the specific case. Historical abuse is within the power of the Commission for Children and Young People to investigate. After the Royal Commission into Child Abuse, such complaints are taken very seriously, as they should be.

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    2. Yes, several of us have files. I have to be careful here not to telegraph what we intend to do about this and several other matters. But I have taken on board your advice. Thanks!

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